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Old November 13th, 2008, 10:37
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The Real Winners at the World Series of Poker
This year's World Series of Poker concluded early this morning at the Rio Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. The winner of the main event won $9,152,416 but would he actually end up with all that money?

This year's winner was Peter Eastgate from Denmark. The United States and Denmark have a tax treaty. Because of the treaty Mr. Eastgate doesn't owe a penny to the IRS. That just leaves the Danish tax authorities.

Denmark's tax agency is called SKAT. Denmark, like the United States, does tax gambling winnings. For casino gambling (which is where I believe this will be classified) the tax rate is 45% on the first 4 million Danish Kroners; it's 75% on income above that. Today $1 is worth 5.88907 DKK; Mr. Eastgate won 53,899,250.70 DKK before taxes. Mr. Eastgate will owe about 39,224,438 DKK in tax ($6,660,545). Put another way Mr. Eastgate will keep 14,674,813 DKK ($2,491,871) of his winnings—just 27.23% of his prize. Yes, he faces an effective tax rate of 72.77%. Ouch.

Ivan Demidov of Moscow, Russia finished second and won $5,809,595. The United States and Russia also have a tax treaty and Mr. Demidov won't have any of his winnings withheld by the IRS. Russia has a 13% flat tax rate, so Mr. Demidov will owe about $755,247 to the State Taxation Service of Russia.

Third place went to an American, Dennis Phillips of Cottage Hills, Illinois. Mr. Phillips won $4,517,773 for his efforts. He's an amateur gambler so he won't owe self employment tax on his winnings. Still, he can expect to pay $1,568,950 to the IRS and $135,533 to the Illinois Department of Revenue.

Ylon Schwartz of Brooklyn, New York, finished in fourth place for $3,774,974. He is a professional gambler so he'll owe self-employment tax on his winnings. He'll also owe state and New York City income tax. His likely tax bite is $1,396,304 to the IRS and $387,966 to the New York Department of Tax & Finance.

Two Canadians finished in fifth and sixth place. Scott Montgomery of Perth, Ontario finished in fifth place for $3,096,768. The US-Canada tax treaty specifies that 30% of his win will be withheld to the IRS. Thus, $929,030 was withheld. Mr. Montgomery is a professional gambler so he will owe tax on his win to Revenue Canada. However, he will be able to take a credit on his Canadian tax return for the money withheld to the IRS. As Canada's tax rate is 29% he likely won't have to pay any additional funds to Revenue Canada. However, when provincial taxes are included the tax rate becomes 46.41%. Thus, Mr. Montgomery will owe tax in Canada: about $491,728 after the credit for the tax withheld to the IRS. [My thanks to the commenter who pointed out the impact of provincial taxes.]

The sixth place finisher was Darus Suharto of Toronto. Mr. Suharto is an accountant, so he won't owe tax to Revenue Canada on his won. However, of the $2,418,562 he won, $725,569 was withheld per the US-Canada tax treaty. He may be able to claim a credit on his Canadian tax return for years to come based on this withheld money and eventually get it back.

The Franchise Tax Board (FTB) was rooting for David Rheem or Kelly Kim to finish in first place. These two Californians finished in seventh and eighth place, earning $1,772,650 and $1,288,217 respectively. Mr. Rheem will owe about $651,262 to the IRS and $170,302 to the FTB; Mr. Kim will owe about $470,995 to the IRS and $121,074 to the FTB.

Craig Marquis of Arlington, Texas finished in ninth place. He is also a professional gambler, and of the $900,670 he won he'll have to fork over about $328,911 to the IRS.

Here's a table summarizing the tax bite:

Amount won at Final Table $32,731,625

Tax to SKAT (Denmark) $6,660,545

US Tax Withheld to IRS $1,654,599

Add'l Tax Owed to IRS $4,416,422

Total Tax to IRS $6,071,021

Tax to State Taxation Service (Russia) $755,247

Tax to Revenue Canada $491,728

Tax to NY Dept of Tax and NYC $387,966

Tax to California FTB $291,376

Tax to Illinois Dept of Revenue $135,533

Total Taxes $14,793,416


That's a total tax bite of 45.20%.

So congratulations to the winners. Just remember that a winner—perhaps the biggest winner of all—is the taxman. As we all know the house always wins.
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Old November 13th, 2008, 15:40
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People ask me why i have never had any interest in going to Vegas in the Nevada Desert for the WSOP ... Would the CIA and FBI let me out again.....


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